Bagels without palm

2 teaspoons yeast, active dry 2 tablespoons honey 1 1/2 cups water warm 1 cup whole wheat flour 2 1/4 cups whole wheat flour 1/2 teaspoon salt 1 1/2[...]

8 cups flour, all-purpose 1 tablespoon salt 1 tablespoon sugar 2 each yeast, compressed * 2 cups water lukewarm potato water * 1/4 cup vegetable oil 4 large[...]